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		<title>By: Mike Purvis</title>
		<link>http://jeffaho.com/archives/tooth-ache/comment-page-1/#comment-454</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Purvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Aug 2006 05:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, very well. But as long as the logo is a rainbow triangle, it&#039;ll be a tough sell persuading people that it includes any other minority besides LGBTQQ.

Perhaps you could come up with a more neutral mark? I propose a white plus-sign inside a black circle. Get it, plus for positive, a circle for inclusion? I mean, yeah, it&#039;s almost a &lt;a rel=&quot;nofollow&quot; href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_George%27s_Cross&quot;&gt;cross of St. George&lt;/a&gt;, but picking a symbol that&#039;s not the mark of their own kind would be an excellent goodwill gesture from GLOW to the other clubs on campus.

As for the assertion that it&#039;s not a factioning thing, I&#039;ll remain respectfully skeptical. Remember the hate-meeting thing last term, where the clubs that showed up got their name published in the Imprint ad? Did those meetings ever spawn any action, or was it just a show of solidarity? You know, so they could suspiciously cast their eyes upon those clubs that didn&#039;t choose to participate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, very well. But as long as the logo is a rainbow triangle, it&#8217;ll be a tough sell persuading people that it includes any other minority besides LGBTQQ.</p>
<p>Perhaps you could come up with a more neutral mark? I propose a white plus-sign inside a black circle. Get it, plus for positive, a circle for inclusion? I mean, yeah, it&#8217;s almost a <a rel="nofollow" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_George%27s_Cross">cross of St. George</a>, but picking a symbol that&#8217;s not the mark of their own kind would be an excellent goodwill gesture from GLOW to the other clubs on campus.</p>
<p>As for the assertion that it&#8217;s not a factioning thing, I&#8217;ll remain respectfully skeptical. Remember the hate-meeting thing last term, where the clubs that showed up got their name published in the Imprint ad? Did those meetings ever spawn any action, or was it just a show of solidarity? You know, so they could suspiciously cast their eyes upon those clubs that didn&#8217;t choose to participate?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Aug 2006 17:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You took that quote out of context though. It was addressing the concern that by displaying the sticker people may believe you are part of the LGBTQ community. The &quot;must decide&quot; is a personal question for people already in the program if they want to display the sticker or not (recognizing that it&#039;s presence may cause some people to assume possibly untrue things). You can be part of a Positive Space campaign without displaying such things. The main part of it is the education and awareness part. GLOW&#039;s program runs info sessions. I would agree that it would be wrong if it was a &quot;for us or against us&quot; mentality, but that is not the case if you read the quote in context.

In council I addressed this by saying that just because I&#039;m not part of Students for Palistinian Rights, Students for Life or Campus Crusade for Cheese doesn&#039;t mean I&#039;m against Rights, or exclusively pro-choice, or hate gouda. Lack of participation (or in this case public display of support) does not imply that you are against. Granted there will be people against it, such as the person last term who hung a noose in the GLOW meeting room with a note saying &quot;If you just can&#039;t take it anymore, place neck here&quot;.

Also, it&#039;s hard to comment on exactly what details it will be because Positive Space in Feds policy won&#039;t just be for the LGBTQ community (from what I observe). It will be expanded to all minorities, such as Christians and Muslims. It&#039;s action as opposed to a policy saying we support diversity. So wait a bit before condemming my motion...since you haven&#039;t seen it or what we are planning. :) UW is not Queens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You took that quote out of context though. It was addressing the concern that by displaying the sticker people may believe you are part of the LGBTQ community. The &#8220;must decide&#8221; is a personal question for people already in the program if they want to display the sticker or not (recognizing that it&#8217;s presence may cause some people to assume possibly untrue things). You can be part of a Positive Space campaign without displaying such things. The main part of it is the education and awareness part. GLOW&#8217;s program runs info sessions. I would agree that it would be wrong if it was a &#8220;for us or against us&#8221; mentality, but that is not the case if you read the quote in context.</p>
<p>In council I addressed this by saying that just because I&#8217;m not part of Students for Palistinian Rights, Students for Life or Campus Crusade for Cheese doesn&#8217;t mean I&#8217;m against Rights, or exclusively pro-choice, or hate gouda. Lack of participation (or in this case public display of support) does not imply that you are against. Granted there will be people against it, such as the person last term who hung a noose in the GLOW meeting room with a note saying &#8220;If you just can&#8217;t take it anymore, place neck here&#8221;.</p>
<p>Also, it&#8217;s hard to comment on exactly what details it will be because Positive Space in Feds policy won&#8217;t just be for the LGBTQ community (from what I observe). It will be expanded to all minorities, such as Christians and Muslims. It&#8217;s action as opposed to a policy saying we support diversity. So wait a bit before condemming my motion&#8230;since you haven&#8217;t seen it or what we are planning. <img src='http://jeffaho.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  UW is not Queens.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Purvis</title>
		<link>http://jeffaho.com/archives/tooth-ache/comment-page-1/#comment-452</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Purvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Aug 2006 15:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I get annoyed by the &quot;positive space&quot; stuff simply because it creates that &quot;for us or against us&quot; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.queensu.ca/humanrights/2Positive_Space_Program.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;mentality&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Volunteers, whether straight or queer, must decide if they are willing to be seen as aligned with the queer community. The long-term goal of the program is to make that question irrelevant.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The point is to get people to be intentional about not being prejudiced, but it still feels like an opportunity for shrill voices to be raised on the &quot;peripheral issues&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get annoyed by the &#8220;positive space&#8221; stuff simply because it creates that &#8220;for us or against us&#8221; <a href="http://www.queensu.ca/humanrights/2Positive_Space_Program.htm" rel="nofollow">mentality</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Volunteers, whether straight or queer, must decide if they are willing to be seen as aligned with the queer community. The long-term goal of the program is to make that question irrelevant.</p></blockquote>
<p>The point is to get people to be intentional about not being prejudiced, but it still feels like an opportunity for shrill voices to be raised on the &#8220;peripheral issues&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Aug 2006 13:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought mine was pretty good. We learned all the basics and had a few discussions on current events and political issues at the time. It made it all the more interesting that 9/11 happened during my class (actually during one...first thing in the morning class, but then discussion for a few days after).

Christine: One word - &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&amp;q=Positive+Space&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Google&lt;/a&gt;.

You may know it by &quot;Safe Space&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought mine was pretty good. We learned all the basics and had a few discussions on current events and political issues at the time. It made it all the more interesting that 9/11 happened during my class (actually during one&#8230;first thing in the morning class, but then discussion for a few days after).</p>
<p>Christine: One word &#8211; <a href="http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&#038;q=Positive+Space" rel="nofollow">Google</a>.</p>
<p>You may know it by &#8220;Safe Space&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Christine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Aug 2006 13:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All I can say is that if you think that the civics course has merit yours was obviously much different than mine. I suspect that the course at Garneau was adjusted to compensate for the fact that 75%+ of the student body was born outside of Canada. Making those of us who grew up in Canada bored with the course because we already knew everything...

And as much as I hate exposing my ignorance - what is Postive Space?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I can say is that if you think that the civics course has merit yours was obviously much different than mine. I suspect that the course at Garneau was adjusted to compensate for the fact that 75%+ of the student body was born outside of Canada. Making those of us who grew up in Canada bored with the course because we already knew everything&#8230;</p>
<p>And as much as I hate exposing my ignorance &#8211; what is Postive Space?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://jeffaho.com/archives/tooth-ache/comment-page-1/#comment-448</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 22:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The voting age was my own addition. They never mentioned it at all. The hypocrisy I pointed out was criminal responsibility and sexual independance. They use oppose logic to support going either way.

I believe I was very knowledgable and informed to be able to have voted at 14. I know you are scared of the liberal bias in teachers (which I believe does exist). Though an argument could be used that on the other side you have people coached by their churches to vote a certain way. I believe that people&#039;s views don&#039;t change much between 14 and 18. I never shared the same political view of my parents, and they differed from the majority of my teachers.

And really, is it not up to them to decide if they think funding to education, etc. is worth voting for? You vote for what you believe at the present. That&#039;s what a vote is for, is to represent you now. Nothing says you can&#039;t change your focus later on. I do believe the civics class contributes to helping you to vote, but you do need to read the platforms and stay up with current events as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The voting age was my own addition. They never mentioned it at all. The hypocrisy I pointed out was criminal responsibility and sexual independance. They use oppose logic to support going either way.</p>
<p>I believe I was very knowledgable and informed to be able to have voted at 14. I know you are scared of the liberal bias in teachers (which I believe does exist). Though an argument could be used that on the other side you have people coached by their churches to vote a certain way. I believe that people&#8217;s views don&#8217;t change much between 14 and 18. I never shared the same political view of my parents, and they differed from the majority of my teachers.</p>
<p>And really, is it not up to them to decide if they think funding to education, etc. is worth voting for? You vote for what you believe at the present. That&#8217;s what a vote is for, is to represent you now. Nothing says you can&#8217;t change your focus later on. I do believe the civics class contributes to helping you to vote, but you do need to read the platforms and stay up with current events as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Purvis</title>
		<link>http://jeffaho.com/archives/tooth-ache/comment-page-1/#comment-447</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Purvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 22:35:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see where you&#039;re coming from with the hypocrisy claim, but their reasoning is that it&#039;s probably a completely different crowd of 13 year olds that are out killing each other from the ones that are in school learning about their government.

And you can&#039;t honestly be suggesting that a high-school Civics course prepares one to vote, can you? Voters at that age would simply be proxies for their parents, or worse, their educators.

School-aged votes would basically just vote as a bloc for parties that support high funding to educational needs, without any real consideration for the viability or sustainability of the rest of the platform.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see where you&#8217;re coming from with the hypocrisy claim, but their reasoning is that it&#8217;s probably a completely different crowd of 13 year olds that are out killing each other from the ones that are in school learning about their government.</p>
<p>And you can&#8217;t honestly be suggesting that a high-school Civics course prepares one to vote, can you? Voters at that age would simply be proxies for their parents, or worse, their educators.</p>
<p>School-aged votes would basically just vote as a bloc for parties that support high funding to educational needs, without any real consideration for the viability or sustainability of the rest of the platform.</p>
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