Comments on: Response to Synaesthetik

By: hatredheals

hatredheals — Tue, 06 May 2008 22:11:29 +0000

The vast majority of what I’ve posted here has not been in response to EB. Unlike him, only my last post was insulting, and EB brought it upon himself.

It’s your blog so I’ll respect your request.

By: Jeff

Jeff — Tue, 06 May 2008 17:49:10 +0000

Emperorbokassa and Hatredheals:

I’d appreciate it if you could keep comment sparing to Livejournal. I don’t mind people having debates through my website comments but comments of late add nothing to the conversation. Thank you ahead of time for understanding,

-Jeff

By: hatredheals

hatredheals — Tue, 06 May 2008 17:41:02 +0000

Reading comments like EB’s conjures the image of billy goats in peril.

By: emperorbokassa

emperorbokassa — Sat, 03 May 2008 16:20:37 +0000

Reading comments like these, which ignore or actually defend the indefensible while engaging in the most pitifully presumptuous and obliviously inane posturing and lecturing, conjures the image of priests of the Boston Archdiocese lecturing about sexual morality when they aren’t molesting children.

By: emperorbokassa

emperorbokassa — Sat, 03 May 2008 16:12:14 +0000

“Just out of curiosity, how much real grassroots volunteer work do you do, anyway? … Anything?”

Wow, how condescending; how presumptuous; how out of touch. This just reaffirms the view that people associated with organizations like CKMS are self-righteous elitists. The response to criticism is presumptuous, meaningless lecturing. Instead of reflecting on the mistakes that the institution and its supporters have made, they resort to exercises of empty rhetoric. Whom does this rhetoric fool, other than themselves apparently?

By: hatredheals

hatredheals — Thu, 01 May 2008 06:21:49 +0000

Students voted to remove the CKMS fee – they didn’t decide CKMS shouldn’t be funded in general.

By: Jeff

Jeff — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 23:16:28 +0000

Actually I never made any mention of location during the referendum. If you think that is the biggest criticism then it is clear that CKMS doesn’t understand why they lost.

Students decided they don’t want CKMS to be funded. I find it inappropriate for it to remain there without paying full rent.

We’ll see soon if others agree with you when you say “CKMS is still part of the UW campus”.

-Jeff

By: Selene

Selene — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 23:01:06 +0000

That makes little sense, given that the biggest criticism of CKMS has thus far been its location. Too isolated from campus to involve students (which is why more students dont volunteer), too far to walk in inclement weather, etc….How then would it be beneficial to anyone but the tenants who have been there 30 years and who use it 16+ hours dailyÉ …And defunded or not, CKMS is still part of the UW campus.

By: Jeff

Jeff — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:43:57 +0000

I’m a charter vice-president of an Optimist International Chapter here in Waterloo. Our main focus (given OI’s mission) is working with children, so we’ve been working with Kidsability most recently. I would contend though that in the other organizations that I volunteer my time to (e.g., Feds, EngSoc, student teams, etc.) that people are there because they are equally passionate about it.

I’ve spent hundreds of hours volunteering for the various organizations I’m a part of. Larger groups like Feds still are largely directed by volunteers (such as student councillors, service directors and club members). I don’t think you have a perception of what Feds actually is composed of. While I work primarily at the governance level, we have numerous services such as our food bank, women’s centre, and campus response team.

I see no difference between putting my time towards issues like fighting to receive funding for a positive space campaign for GLOW or mental health awareness on campus than working at an animal shelter. Is helping first year students with their resumes and being an orientation leader not valuable enough for you? Is writing for the small engineering paper still too corporate for you? I’m not a utilitarian.

If plenty of people support CKMS, then they will stay afloat. Regardless, your comment has reminded me how much student teams need space for workshops. Forumla SAE, UW Robotics, WARG, UWAFT, and Midnight Sun could sure use Bauer Warehouse. I’ll talk to Dennis Huber about it given that CKMS as of the fall will be an external organization. Students will get more value out of it then what currently is produced there.

-Jeff

By: Selene

Selene — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 07:58:20 +0000

Just out of curiosity, how much real grassroots volunteer work do you do, anyway? I don’t mean student organizations that have a giant budget and are run like corporations, I mean small, volunteer operations where people are there because they’re passionate about something? Animal shelters? Pride? Health-related groups? Anything?

There are plenty of people who enjoy CKMS, and who support it, including listeners, students, the larger community, and most of the independent musicians in this area. If we make mistakes at an organizational level, they’re no different from the mistakes made by volunteers at many charities. That comes from a lack of resources. But I’m sure neither of us is interested in debating this again.