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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://jeffaho.com/archives/ckms-referendum-2/comment-page-1/#comment-41055</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 23:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So the Referendum ended mid-February, meaning 4 1/2 months of 6 people and 13 months for 1 person. That&#039;s 40 months of employment costs you could have saved. 

As Treasurer, care to say how much student money could have been saved if you followed the plan I listed above? Can you please add to that the frivolous legal expenses? Now can you start writing cheques to all the students whose money you wasted?

The difference between other stations like Lakehead&#039;s and Windsor&#039;s compared to CKMS is that students support them.

And that makes all the difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the Referendum ended mid-February, meaning 4 1/2 months of 6 people and 13 months for 1 person. That&#8217;s 40 months of employment costs you could have saved. </p>
<p>As Treasurer, care to say how much student money could have been saved if you followed the plan I listed above? Can you please add to that the frivolous legal expenses? Now can you start writing cheques to all the students whose money you wasted?</p>
<p>The difference between other stations like Lakehead&#8217;s and Windsor&#8217;s compared to CKMS is that students support them.</p>
<p>And that makes all the difference.</p>
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		<title>By: Selene</title>
		<link>http://jeffaho.com/archives/ckms-referendum-2/comment-page-1/#comment-41053</link>
		<dc:creator>Selene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 22:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just for the record, six of CKMS&#039; seven staff members voluntarily took a layoff June 27, 2008. The last remaining staff person resigned last April (2009).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just for the record, six of CKMS&#8217; seven staff members voluntarily took a layoff June 27, 2008. The last remaining staff person resigned last April (2009).</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Weber</title>
		<link>http://jeffaho.com/archives/ckms-referendum-2/comment-page-1/#comment-40793</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicholas Weber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 19:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff,

You hit the nail on the head.  Your arguments are clear, concise, and convincing.

To think... a business who loses all forseeable expectation of future revenue and does not immediately lay off all of their staff... it sounds so ridiculous that I almost don&#039;t believe it.

I hope these CKMS folks have learned from your wisdom Jeff.  If they had embraced any of the numerous calls to action they could have prevented this.  Funding and money doesn&#039;t fall from the sky, you have to earn it, they forgot that and paid dearly for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff,</p>
<p>You hit the nail on the head.  Your arguments are clear, concise, and convincing.</p>
<p>To think&#8230; a business who loses all forseeable expectation of future revenue and does not immediately lay off all of their staff&#8230; it sounds so ridiculous that I almost don&#8217;t believe it.</p>
<p>I hope these CKMS folks have learned from your wisdom Jeff.  If they had embraced any of the numerous calls to action they could have prevented this.  Funding and money doesn&#8217;t fall from the sky, you have to earn it, they forgot that and paid dearly for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Purvis</title>
		<link>http://jeffaho.com/archives/ckms-referendum-2/comment-page-1/#comment-40327</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Purvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 00:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate seeing your thoughts about this, Jeff, thanks. I know I&#039;ve said it in person, but the thing that has struck me through all this is that the station has never (that I&#039;ve seen) actually made a concerted effort to gain listeners. They had eighteen months of broadcasting in between the two referendums... why didn&#039;t they use this time to build student listenership?

Why ask students to &quot;support&quot; the radio station like it&#039;s a political charity? Why not simply ask them to &lt;em&gt;listen to it&lt;/em&gt;? Why didn&#039;t the posters advertise particular shows, and indicate when one could tune in to hear them? On the few occasions that I&#039;ve tried to tune into CKMS, I&#039;ve found it confusing and borderline unlistenable; if I knew that there was a student-hosted talk show at a particular time, or a local folk music show, or an indie-pop show, or mellow studying-oriented music, or whatever, I might&#039;ve tried to tune in at those times and hear them.

And if I&#039;d tuned in and enjoyed what I heard, I expect I would have voted the other way. Anyhow, I explained this to Nathan, but it just seems obvious to me... a radio station should still be run like a business, whether it&#039;s campus radio or otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate seeing your thoughts about this, Jeff, thanks. I know I&#8217;ve said it in person, but the thing that has struck me through all this is that the station has never (that I&#8217;ve seen) actually made a concerted effort to gain listeners. They had eighteen months of broadcasting in between the two referendums&#8230; why didn&#8217;t they use this time to build student listenership?</p>
<p>Why ask students to &#8220;support&#8221; the radio station like it&#8217;s a political charity? Why not simply ask them to <em>listen to it</em>? Why didn&#8217;t the posters advertise particular shows, and indicate when one could tune in to hear them? On the few occasions that I&#8217;ve tried to tune into CKMS, I&#8217;ve found it confusing and borderline unlistenable; if I knew that there was a student-hosted talk show at a particular time, or a local folk music show, or an indie-pop show, or mellow studying-oriented music, or whatever, I might&#8217;ve tried to tune in at those times and hear them.</p>
<p>And if I&#8217;d tuned in and enjoyed what I heard, I expect I would have voted the other way. Anyhow, I explained this to Nathan, but it just seems obvious to me&#8230; a radio station should still be run like a business, whether it&#8217;s campus radio or otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: Road Dog</title>
		<link>http://jeffaho.com/archives/ckms-referendum-2/comment-page-1/#comment-40323</link>
		<dc:creator>Road Dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 15:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you all need a new life, The Vote is over, Jeff go find some thing eles to hate, Selene Stop talking to this poor lost sole and lets show the haters of life what we can do to make the Radio station a great thing.
OH and everyone have a nice season Break &amp; Keep it Loud &amp; Proud.

Sincerely: Road Dog &amp; Friends</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you all need a new life, The Vote is over, Jeff go find some thing eles to hate, Selene Stop talking to this poor lost sole and lets show the haters of life what we can do to make the Radio station a great thing.<br />
OH and everyone have a nice season Break &amp; Keep it Loud &amp; Proud.</p>
<p>Sincerely: Road Dog &amp; Friends</p>
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		<title>By: Selene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Selene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 14:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The issues as presented:

1) The station &quot;lost touch&quot; with student issues and no longer appealed to the students (&quot;shareholders&quot;) that funded it.

2) The previous administration was &quot;lazy, apathetic, complacent, happy with the status quo,&quot; and &quot;community-oriented,&quot; whatever that means. 

3) The Board of Directors at the time was run by community members who were &quot;happy to keep things status quo.&quot;

4) The station was &quot;mismanaged,&quot; Heather had an &quot;out of control ego,&quot; (whatever that means), and we were &quot;exploiting&quot; something (students&#039; laziness in not getting fee refunds, we were getting rich off students&#039; hard-borrowed OSAP cash, whatever).

Not one of these arguments is based in anything but opinion, stated as fact. 

There were, are, and always will be organizational problems in everything, no organization is perfect. I refuse to continue to belabour these points because they&#039;re irrelevant. Likewise, all the time spent arguing about points and trying to prove each other wrong or right could have been spent fundraising and planning. 

I will, however, reiterate what I said all along, which is you can&#039;t possibly fix (or &quot;reform&quot;) any problems by withdrawing 92% of an organization&#039;s resources. 

And anyone in a leadership role is automatically up for the harshest criticism everyone can possibly level at them. Criticize as you will, I know what I did and didn&#039;t do. You&#039;re not the only critic, but there are plenty of people who support my efforts and the rest of the Board. 

You hate radio. If you would just admit it we&#039;d waste a lot less time. CKMS isn&#039;t any different from any other campus radio station in the world. 

You once used Thunder Bay&#039;s station as a station you would support. I checked it out, and guess what? Nothing about it is any damned different from CKMS. I&#039;d say CJAM in Windsor is probably one of the best campus stations in Canada. Guess what? Not that different from CKMS.

In fact, the only thing we&#039;re guilty of is being a campus radio station. How that&#039;s become a hotbed of &quot;exploitation&quot; and the target of such viciousness is beyond me.   

I&#039;ll agree with the last poster&#039;s comment. They only asked if students wanted &quot;a fee increase.&quot; Most of them didn&#039;t even understand what they were voting on, or why campus radio is an important resource. 

I feel for sorry for this generation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The issues as presented:</p>
<p>1) The station &#8220;lost touch&#8221; with student issues and no longer appealed to the students (&#8220;shareholders&#8221;) that funded it.</p>
<p>2) The previous administration was &#8220;lazy, apathetic, complacent, happy with the status quo,&#8221; and &#8220;community-oriented,&#8221; whatever that means. </p>
<p>3) The Board of Directors at the time was run by community members who were &#8220;happy to keep things status quo.&#8221;</p>
<p>4) The station was &#8220;mismanaged,&#8221; Heather had an &#8220;out of control ego,&#8221; (whatever that means), and we were &#8220;exploiting&#8221; something (students&#8217; laziness in not getting fee refunds, we were getting rich off students&#8217; hard-borrowed OSAP cash, whatever).</p>
<p>Not one of these arguments is based in anything but opinion, stated as fact. </p>
<p>There were, are, and always will be organizational problems in everything, no organization is perfect. I refuse to continue to belabour these points because they&#8217;re irrelevant. Likewise, all the time spent arguing about points and trying to prove each other wrong or right could have been spent fundraising and planning. </p>
<p>I will, however, reiterate what I said all along, which is you can&#8217;t possibly fix (or &#8220;reform&#8221;) any problems by withdrawing 92% of an organization&#8217;s resources. </p>
<p>And anyone in a leadership role is automatically up for the harshest criticism everyone can possibly level at them. Criticize as you will, I know what I did and didn&#8217;t do. You&#8217;re not the only critic, but there are plenty of people who support my efforts and the rest of the Board. </p>
<p>You hate radio. If you would just admit it we&#8217;d waste a lot less time. CKMS isn&#8217;t any different from any other campus radio station in the world. </p>
<p>You once used Thunder Bay&#8217;s station as a station you would support. I checked it out, and guess what? Nothing about it is any damned different from CKMS. I&#8217;d say CJAM in Windsor is probably one of the best campus stations in Canada. Guess what? Not that different from CKMS.</p>
<p>In fact, the only thing we&#8217;re guilty of is being a campus radio station. How that&#8217;s become a hotbed of &#8220;exploitation&#8221; and the target of such viciousness is beyond me.   </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll agree with the last poster&#8217;s comment. They only asked if students wanted &#8220;a fee increase.&#8221; Most of them didn&#8217;t even understand what they were voting on, or why campus radio is an important resource. </p>
<p>I feel for sorry for this generation.</p>
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		<title>By: Liam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 22:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>does anyone else believe that the wording of the referendum question was very biased?  Asking if students support an increase to FEDS administered fees of $2.50 per term.  Instead, imagine the referendum asked if students supported a reinstatement of a portion of the student funding for the station. Whoever decided the referendum wording was definitely not pro-ckms and likely biased.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>does anyone else believe that the wording of the referendum question was very biased?  Asking if students support an increase to FEDS administered fees of $2.50 per term.  Instead, imagine the referendum asked if students supported a reinstatement of a portion of the student funding for the station. Whoever decided the referendum wording was definitely not pro-ckms and likely biased.</p>
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		<title>By: Road Dog</title>
		<link>http://jeffaho.com/archives/ckms-referendum-2/comment-page-1/#comment-40312</link>
		<dc:creator>Road Dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You must lead a very lonely life that you have to spend your time tearing things apart. It&#039;s not to late to change your ways Jeff.
The Road Dog and all his friends feel sorry for you, Try to be a nicer person in the future, And build things, Work with people, Stop tearing thing apart.
Hope your life gets nicer. 
Sincerely: The Road Dog &amp; Friends</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You must lead a very lonely life that you have to spend your time tearing things apart. It&#8217;s not to late to change your ways Jeff.<br />
The Road Dog and all his friends feel sorry for you, Try to be a nicer person in the future, And build things, Work with people, Stop tearing thing apart.<br />
Hope your life gets nicer.<br />
Sincerely: The Road Dog &amp; Friends</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Selene,

Your implication of circumstance and not the actions of people continues to demonstrate the widespread denial of the issues I raised. All problems were the result of direct action or negligent omission by people.

I find it disappointing that even now you refuse to accept some of the blame for the station&#039;s situation. It is because I knew what I was talking about that you no longer have funding.

I do not plan on attending the funeral of someone I did not know. I find it abhorrent that you would politicize the tragic death of someone you supposedly knew. You trivialize the apparent mental illness that lead to his death by your ignorant simplification and presumptuous justification.

Furthermore, you continue to prove that you never listened to my criticism as I have never said that no one cares about radio. I feel sorry for you.

-Jeff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Selene,</p>
<p>Your implication of circumstance and not the actions of people continues to demonstrate the widespread denial of the issues I raised. All problems were the result of direct action or negligent omission by people.</p>
<p>I find it disappointing that even now you refuse to accept some of the blame for the station&#8217;s situation. It is because I knew what I was talking about that you no longer have funding.</p>
<p>I do not plan on attending the funeral of someone I did not know. I find it abhorrent that you would politicize the tragic death of someone you supposedly knew. You trivialize the apparent mental illness that lead to his death by your ignorant simplification and presumptuous justification.</p>
<p>Furthermore, you continue to prove that you never listened to my criticism as I have never said that no one cares about radio. I feel sorry for you.</p>
<p>-Jeff</p>
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		<title>By: Selene</title>
		<link>http://jeffaho.com/archives/ckms-referendum-2/comment-page-1/#comment-40309</link>
		<dc:creator>Selene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS--Many members of the station want to know if you&#039;ll be attending the funeral of the programmer who committed suicide over this. If you think no one cares about radio, there&#039;s your proof.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS&#8211;Many members of the station want to know if you&#8217;ll be attending the funeral of the programmer who committed suicide over this. If you think no one cares about radio, there&#8217;s your proof.</p>
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