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		<title>By: Christine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 00:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I follow, but I&#039;m not sure. Basically, the argument is that, as long as *someone* is offering access to the services it&#039;s ok? 

So in a small town, when there was only one print shop, that would be worse than in a big city? And government services, where there&#039;s only one source, need to allow everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I follow, but I&#8217;m not sure. Basically, the argument is that, as long as *someone* is offering access to the services it&#8217;s ok? </p>
<p>So in a small town, when there was only one print shop, that would be worse than in a big city? And government services, where there&#8217;s only one source, need to allow everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://jeffaho.com/archives/child-custody/comment-page-1/#comment-37425</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 14:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not proposing that businesses be allowed to do whatever they want (that&#039;s very broad), I&#039;m proposing they can discriminate against customers. I&#039;m opposed to actions by companies that create negative externalities (say pollution - I&#039;m in favour of a carbon tax). Markets are good things in general, but I don&#039;t believe that there should be unfettered free markets for everything.

Ethics are subjective though, so it&#039;s hard to debate an issue without laying out the framework to discuss it in. To me, there is no right to do business with someone else, so I believe it is the business&#039;s right to discriminate. I&#039;ll add the note though that government services shouldn&#039;t be allowed to discriminate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not proposing that businesses be allowed to do whatever they want (that&#8217;s very broad), I&#8217;m proposing they can discriminate against customers. I&#8217;m opposed to actions by companies that create negative externalities (say pollution &#8211; I&#8217;m in favour of a carbon tax). Markets are good things in general, but I don&#8217;t believe that there should be unfettered free markets for everything.</p>
<p>Ethics are subjective though, so it&#8217;s hard to debate an issue without laying out the framework to discuss it in. To me, there is no right to do business with someone else, so I believe it is the business&#8217;s right to discriminate. I&#8217;ll add the note though that government services shouldn&#8217;t be allowed to discriminate.</p>
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		<title>By: Christine</title>
		<link>http://jeffaho.com/archives/child-custody/comment-page-1/#comment-37424</link>
		<dc:creator>Christine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 14:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not convinced that it&#039;s ok for businesses to do whatever they want, and not worry about ethics. It sounds a lot like capitalism, and we&#039;ve seen how well that&#039;s working out now. (No, I&#039;m not at all bitter about my lack of job). 

The problem with theories like that is that they rely on the fundamental goodness of people, and assume that people will do the right thing. Maybe back when Smith originally wrote out his theory that was true (although what I know of history doesn&#039;t support that), but especially when we&#039;re in cities, and dealing with so many people, most folks will not worry about the ethics of their choices. 

I know that I frequently justify choices that I know are unethical by &quot;I can only do so much&quot;. Would I use that printer? Probably no more often than I do other things I oughtn&#039;t. FYI, I ate meat meals three times last week, along side my out-of-season cucumbers. I don&#039;t think that they&#039;re going out of business any time soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not convinced that it&#8217;s ok for businesses to do whatever they want, and not worry about ethics. It sounds a lot like capitalism, and we&#8217;ve seen how well that&#8217;s working out now. (No, I&#8217;m not at all bitter about my lack of job). </p>
<p>The problem with theories like that is that they rely on the fundamental goodness of people, and assume that people will do the right thing. Maybe back when Smith originally wrote out his theory that was true (although what I know of history doesn&#8217;t support that), but especially when we&#8217;re in cities, and dealing with so many people, most folks will not worry about the ethics of their choices. </p>
<p>I know that I frequently justify choices that I know are unethical by &#8220;I can only do so much&#8221;. Would I use that printer? Probably no more often than I do other things I oughtn&#8217;t. FYI, I ate meat meals three times last week, along side my out-of-season cucumbers. I don&#8217;t think that they&#8217;re going out of business any time soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Purvis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Purvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 23:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting, thanks for sharing.

&quot;If people want to act stupidly and lose business, that’s their choice. I also support the public’s ability to call them out on their discrimination even if the negative press harms them.&quot;

There&#039;s always a line somewhere. The public have a right to be protected, for example, from someone practicing proactive hate. But a private enterprise? They should be allowed to refuse service for any reason, and risk the consequences.

Can a restaurant refuse to serve based on skin colour? In practice, it doesn&#039;t really matter whether such a thing is &lt;i&gt;legally&lt;/i&gt; permissable—the ensuing boycott would soon put them out of business.

Anyhow, thanks for the updates. I hope your midterms go well. We should have a chat sometime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting, thanks for sharing.</p>
<p>&#8220;If people want to act stupidly and lose business, that’s their choice. I also support the public’s ability to call them out on their discrimination even if the negative press harms them.&#8221;</p>
<p>There&#8217;s always a line somewhere. The public have a right to be protected, for example, from someone practicing proactive hate. But a private enterprise? They should be allowed to refuse service for any reason, and risk the consequences.</p>
<p>Can a restaurant refuse to serve based on skin colour? In practice, it doesn&#8217;t really matter whether such a thing is <i>legally</i> permissable—the ensuing boycott would soon put them out of business.</p>
<p>Anyhow, thanks for the updates. I hope your midterms go well. We should have a chat sometime.</p>
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